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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:15 pm 
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Interesting pictures of Arizona I hadn't seen before - thanks Mark! FDR is in there as the Asst. Sec of the Navy.

One of the USS Arizona's bells is in the bell tower at the University of Arizona, which is rung every December 7. I attended a few of the events when I was a student there.

I'm planning to meet with Col. Robert Thacker this Sunday to do a video interview. He was flying one of B-17E's that flew into Pearl Harbor that fateful morning. He flew 49 missions in the Pacific and 31 more in the 8thAF, 384th Bomb Group as the group's Deputy CO.
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Wow. I had first read about Thacker in Dale Smith's memoirs "Screaming Eagle"...I'm sure you have a copy. It's probably well within my top 10 favorite books on World War II and then learned he was also on the flight of B-17s that literally stumbled right into the middle of a war. Hope your interview goes well and would love to see the completed product.

Mark: Thanks again for digging up some real unique gems. I think most of us here are pretty well versed on the topic and have seen most of the previously published pictures at one point or another. It's definitely a real thrill to see something new and different.


Thanks SaxMan, I hope it goes well. I'm probably not the most experienced person to do this, but I've participated in a few video interviews and will use the guidelines used by Veterans History Project. I hope I can post something by early January, will post a link on WIX when it happens.

I like this thread, lots of pics and info about the USS Arizona and Pearl Harbor!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:21 pm 
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The righting of the Oklahoma must have broken records for weight and/or size at the time. The Costa Concordia used some similar techniques to right it, but without the benefit of a flat sea bottom as Oklahoma had - not that it was easy! I think the Costa was a record breaker.

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Speaking of Dec. 7 - any other WIXers share a Dec. 7 birthday? Having a birthday on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is one of the reasons I first became interested in WWII history.

Keep those pics coming, Mark! :drink3:


He's not a poster here, but Tom Creekmore, a 305th BG radio operator, has a birthday on December 7th. He'll be 91 this year, and still has quite a bit of spunk. Here he is at his 89th Birthday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy003yRpM0o

I know people who are a 1/4 of his age that claim to be singers that don't have a voice like his. "There I've Said it Again" was the first song he heard after the announcement on the tannoi at Chelveston that the war was over.


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There were a number of men trapped inside the Oklahoma when she turned turtle, and a bunch made it to the engine room and were saved by cutting thru the hull near the shafts. I read a book written by one of those rescued. One thing that is interesting is the fact the main gun turrets are still in place, they are normally held in by gravity and when a Battleship founders like that the turrets fall out of the hull, look at the photos of the Bismark, no turrets.

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i like everyone have never seen her being built, nor her modifications & post pearl harbor dismantling. i am perplexed why it took till 1983 to declassify the wreck photos.

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Oklahoma series is awesome!
On my first visit to PH in the early 80s I chatted with one of the docents at the visitors center--he wore LtCdr rank on his PH Survivors hat.
When I asked him to sign the book I had just purchased he flipped it open to a photo of the Oklahoma (afloat and underway) and said, "I'll sign this the way I was on that day----Seaman 2nd." The book is packed away and I can't recall his name off the top of my head.


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Zachary wrote:
Speaking of Dec. 7 - any other WIXers share a Dec. 7 birthday? Having a birthday on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is one of the reasons I first became interested in WWII history.

Keep those pics coming, Mark! :drink3:


My nephew was born on Dec. 7th.
His middle name is Philip; named after me, because my brother knew I was such a WWII buff.

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USS Nevada (One of the first to be PH ships to go back into action)

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The Nevada (BB-36) making her way down the river from NY ship yard while being escorted by several tugs. c 1914

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USS Nevada c 1925

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Nevada (BB36) Port beam, underway with aircraft-launching platform on turret c 1920

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Nevada (BB-36) is shown here circa 1917

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November 1918 USS Nevada seen off Queenstown, Ireland.

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formations of aircraft flying over U.S. Navy battleships during exercises at sea, circa late 1930's.

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1936 photo of Battleship Row, Pearl Harbor

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Passing through the Panama Canal after modernization c 1930's

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USS Shaw exploding as the USS Nevada is attempting to make a run for open water.

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USS Nevada temporarily beached on hospital point 925AM

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At Pearl Harbor

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Twisted wreck of a float plane on the USS Nevada

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Refurbished & Refitted and ready for duty once again.

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Another ship that survived Pearl Harbor and the rest of the war was the USS Phoenix,
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The USS Phoenix passing the burning USS West Virginia and USS Arizona
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The USS Phoenix went on to earn 11 Battle Stars for service in WWII

The USS Phoenix has the dubious distinction of being the only warship sunk in combat by a nuclear powered sub, except at the time of her sinking she was going by the name General Belgrano and was part of the Argentinian Navy
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Fantastic pics! A couple of things that might be of interest to this group, and some (if not all) might know is that a major portion of superstructure and other parts removed from the Arizona and were unusable, are stored on a remote point of Oahu on the Pearl Harbor Base. I have seen several pics. It looks like scrap just laying in the weeds and bushes, but you can tell what you are looking at if you know about the Arizona. Also there was a movie called "This Is The Navy" with Jimmy Cagney that came out in the late 30's. A lot of scenes were filmed on the Arizona.


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Xrayist wrote:
Fantastic pics! A couple of things that might be of interest to this group, and some (if not all) might know is that a major portion of superstructure and other parts removed from the Arizona and were unusable, are stored on a remote point of Oahu on the Pearl Harbor Base. I have seen several pics. It looks like scrap just laying in the weeds and bushes, but you can tell what you are looking at if you know about the Arizona. Also there was a movie called "This Is The Navy" with Jimmy Cagney that came out in the late 30's. A lot of scenes were filmed on the Arizona.


I had heard that as well, but also heard a conflicting rumor that those parts were cut up and disposed of. There is yet another rumor that one of Arizona's Kingfishers was stored along with the superstructure, etc. If they are truly extant, they should be incorporated into an adjoining memorial on Ford Island, don't you think?


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Fantastic pics! A couple of things that might be of interest to this group, and some (if not all) might know is that a major portion of superstructure and other parts removed from the Arizona and were unusable, are stored on a remote point of Oahu on the Pearl Harbor Base. I have seen several pics. It looks like scrap just laying in the weeds and bushes, but you can tell what you are looking at if you know about the Arizona. Also there was a movie called "This Is The Navy" with Jimmy Cagney that came out in the late 30's. A lot of scenes were filmed on the Arizona.


I had heard that as well, but also heard a conflicting rumor that those parts were cut up and disposed of. There is yet another rumor that one of Arizona's Kingfishers was stored along with the superstructure, etc. If they are truly extant, they should be incorporated into an adjoining memorial on Ford Island, don't you think?



found a few pics of the "stash".


2 pictures, about 2/3rd of the way down on this page. http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/39f.htm

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USS California
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Mark you have outdone yourself. Those are fantastic!! :D :D The birdcage masts almost look "primitive" compared to the tri-legged masts installed at a later date. In my opinion the tri-legged masts look much better and really make the ship look more modern. The California was certainly transformed into a totally different looking ship. Interesting that she still had the birdcage masts at the time of the attack. When the Oklahoma was pulled upright, her masts were gone. Were they broken off when she turned turtle? Would the masts still be stuck in the muck in the bottom of the harbor? Kind of too bad none of the Pearl Harbor battleships were not preserved except the Arizona of course.

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