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Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Warbird Digest
Final Cut-The Post War B-17 Flying Fortress and Survivors - 5th Edition


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 Post subject: b-18 bolo
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:33 am 
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has anybody ever recovered a crashed b-18 bolo?? while not 1 of the more exciting birds, & a below par performer, the type is pertinent to ww 2 aviation history on the east coast of the u.s. & canada, carribbean & panama canal area in anti sub patrol, as well as a short operational life in the phillipines at the start of the war. i'm just curious because this is one of the rarer bombers of the war. i know some are in museums in the u.s., but i want to know about any recovered crashes of 1. regards, tom

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I was thinking the same thing, sort of. Just recently someone said that a recovery effort was underway to retrieve that derlict B-18 hanging in the jungle of one of Hawaii's Islands. Would be nice to know the status of that recovery. Here are some shots of the Bolo owned by Asiafan.
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I also have to think that there is still a good possibilty that some are still down in old Mexico derelict.

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The B-18 turret in a museum on the West Coast was chopped from that B-18 crash on the Island of Hawaii (the Big Island). The damage to the rest of the plane from that relic "recovery" may preclude proper recovery.
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From my understanding the retractable doral turret from that Bolo now reside in the B-18 at the NMUSAF.

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The B-18 "blank" crashed in Hawaii...and the (USAF) Museum has a B-18A. Sadly, for all the salvor's research done (seemingly none), the B-18 "blank" turret would not fit IN the B-18A.


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There was also a B-18 crash in Guatemala, in the jungle areas of Ixcan; this was more than 40 years ago, and I have no idea as to the severity of the crash or if there are any remains; coordinates are also unknown.

This is one of those iffy locations; there was a lot of guerrilla activity back in the 1970-1980s, and some areas were heavily mined; the United Nations reportedly removed all the mines, but . . .


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I have always thought that a B-18 and B-23 would be really neat on the airshow sene.

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David_Aiken wrote:
The B-18 "blank" crashed in Hawaii...and the (USAF) Museum has a B-18A. Sadly, for all the salvor's research done (seemingly none), the B-18 "blank" turret would not fit IN the B-18A.


David,

I presume that your reference to "blank" is because according to the older historians, neither the B-18 or B-23 were called by the aforementioned names? The names given to both the B-18 and B-23 were nicknames given to the planes much later in life, thus they should only be called a B-18 or B-23. Just for historical purposes.

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Why would anyone call a B-23 a "Dragon" if they already new what it could do?


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Douglas RB-18B "Bolo", 37-574 (c/n 2574, anti-submarine conversion, previous USA registration NC66281) was registered in Honduras as XH-016, and sold to Mexico on September 1949.

Whereabouts would be greatly appreciated by someone at the NASM.

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Roger Cain wrote:
David_Aiken wrote:
The B-18 "blank" crashed in Hawaii...and the (USAF) Museum has a B-18A. Sadly, for all the salvor's research done (seemingly none), the B-18 "blank" turret would not fit IN the B-18A.


David,

I presume that your reference to "blank" is because according to the older historians, neither the B-18 or B-23 were called by the aforementioned names? The names given to both the B-18 and B-23 were nicknames given to the planes much later in life, thus they should only be called a B-18 or B-23. Just for historical purposes.


Hi Roger,
I used "blank" because very few folk know that there was just a B-18, then a B-18A, etc...so the round nose B-18 (without a letter) is "blank"...or nothing behind the B-18...
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 Post subject: Hawaii B-18 serial?
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I've been trying to find the serial of this plane for a while; the AAIR site's crash records list B-18 36-446 of the 11th Bombardment Group as having crashed due to engine failure at Waimanu on February 25, 1941 - is this the one?

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There was a B-18 crash in New Hampshire on January 14 1942.

http://www.lostbirds.com/B18.html

(just as a side note to B-18 crash site, I plan to make the hike up to see it some time)

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tim, i checked out the link. definetely put that hike on your to do list!! looks interesting. what a way to spend an autumn afternoon

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