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An excellent post post, Rob! Much better than some in the previous thread
This is the concilatory tone we need to adopt. We need to turn away from
the lynch mob mentailty. Comments like "we need to get so-and-so" or
"so-and-so needs to go" do nothing but widen the gap. By the same token threats of lawsuits, injunctions, and so on are not going to make things go
more smoothly. Let's approach this without an air of suspicion and hostility.

When we all sit down to disciss things I believe we will find that some of the goals of NMNA and the warbird community are the same. What we need to do, as best we can, is resolve ther differences. Open minded
folks all around the table willing to listen as well as talk are what we need
if we are to accomplish out goals.

Blue skies,
Owen

Sounds good Rob, this seems to be a good idea and the way to go in my opinion. Working together towards a common goal is usually more productive.

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I'll do my dead level best to make that one.

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Hi, forgive me for not knowing but being in aussieland I don't seem to have the locxal background you have in these things.
so what is the navy's policy on airframes recovered from sites overseas?

for instance, I recover say an F4F from somewhere, and bring it here to australia. I gather they have no say?

if I take it to america for restoration but an a resident of australia, do they have any say on it?

if I recover it and then sell it to an american?

if I recover it, retore it and then sell it to an american?

from how it has seemed to me any of those scenarios where it touches american soil they can claim it and ask for it's return, is that correct?

if so then isn't that something for your agenda?

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Jeff

Jeff,

The US Navy only has a claim on the aircraft if it was on their books.

If you found a former Finnish Brewster Buffalo, that was never the property of the US Navy, then you are free to import/export wherever you like subject to normal import/export controls and other Government restrictions.

Just because the US Navy operated the type does not give them ownership of all examples of that type.

Lend/Lease is another can of worms, however. The lease agreement between the US Government (not the Navy) and whomever requires that the aircraft be paid for in full, scrapped, or returned to the US. If you pull a Lend/Lease FAA Corsair out of the water somewhere, the US Government may have an arguement to say that it belongs to them.

Cheers,

Brett

So Rob does that mean that you could salvage FAA or RAN aircraft there and the navy couldn't say boo?

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Jeff

Now just a point for you from over here.

could you please tell me if, for instance, I were to know of the whereabouts and recover a USN aircraft even though it never touches US soil and was recovered from outside of US territory then how could they lay claim to it?

I wish I could do that even with the probable attendant legal arguments but well... it is something you need to put on the table too as I am sure there's bound to be at least 1 airframe in that position.

Same as a clause or something about their being able to reclaim any "illegally" recovered airframes. as in an illegal export from new guinea for example. that way it might aid in preventing the removal of air frames that are gravesites for example.

Yes I know that was bit confusing but I hope you understand what I am saying there. If the craft is one NOT to be moved then if some-one just sneaks in and grabs it then the rights of ownership of any part of a resultant airframe garnered from that part is forfeit to the naval museum or other relevant authority. I know it'd be restrictive and prevent some people from even trying but if you were given a clean slate on anything else.... I say it's a good exchange.

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Rob, if only I had the location and the money you'd have your spectacle alright as I would not be listening to legal garbage from a military service which has abandoned it's assets like that.

mind you might be interesting trying a counter claim here or legal challenge under OUR laws. I wonder how willfull and unlawfull damage to public property would sit?

mind you if you ever find anything to recover over here and i can get the holiday time just say so and I might not know much but I am reasonably fit and healthy for helping and I know the local beverages and customs.

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Jeff