Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:14 pm
gary1954 wrote:Actually the first Nine Production Models were the only ones with constant dyhedrial and classified as B-25. The 10th Production model birthed the B-25A
Mr. Mark, more please sir
Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:30 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:48 am
Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:55 am
Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:43 am
The Inspector wrote:
The H (or G) with the shark mouth head on, that's the factory 75mm in the tunnel not a 105
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:06 am
The Inspector wrote:gary1954 wrote:Actually the first Nine Production Models were the only ones with constant dyhedrial and classified as B-25. The 10th Production model birthed the B-25A
Mr. Mark, more please sir
Gary,
Thanks bud! my source is N.L. Averys B-25 MITCHELL magnificent medium, and it's a bit skimpy on early airframe details. Isn't ''Miss Hap" one of the original straight winged airframes converted to cranked wing plan?
Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:37 pm
Mark Allen M wrote:Source, San Diego Air and Space Museum archives, North American Archives. Library of Congress photo archives.
345th Bomb Group
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:25 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:48 pm
gary1954 wrote:Like the B-25C N3968C at Antelope, Hughes never flew or rode in the B-25(s) I have never been able to find a photo of Hughes with either aircraft. Everyone is under the impression that HH was "involved" with N3968C. In fact he was not. Hughes had to "Know Everything" in the aspect and operation of his empire, he trusted no one but Noah Dietrich. Dietrich bought the B-25C (N3968C) and was having it converted into a VIP configuration. A mechanic mentioned some work that was being done on the Charlie model and Hughes blew a front row of head gaskets and felt betrayed that Dietrich would do something like buying an airplane without his knowledge and approval. He fired Dietrich and ordered the B-25 parked ( I can't remember were in California but I have it in my notes) and it had to be parked into the prevailing wind, tire down and left alone. It remained parked for decades until after Hughes death when his property was sold off.
It would be more correct to say that both of the B-25s, the B-25 and the B-25C were the former property of the Hughes Empire.
Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:11 pm
gary1954 wrote:Actually the first Nine Production Models were the only ones with constant dyhedrial and classified as B-25. The 10th Production model birthed the B-25A
The Inspector wrote:....Dirty Gertie is another case of the msn falling in a hole in Baughers lists her closest production line mates went to the Med theater so I'd guess it's just touch ups from newer paint supplies over sun bleached dings and scrapes.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:49 am
Craig59 wrote:gary1954 wrote:Like the B-25C N3968C at Antelope, Hughes never flew or rode in the B-25(s) I have never been able to find a photo of Hughes with either aircraft. Everyone is under the impression that HH was "involved" with N3968C. In fact he was not. Hughes had to "Know Everything" in the aspect and operation of his empire, he trusted no one but Noah Dietrich. Dietrich bought the B-25C (N3968C) and was having it converted into a VIP configuration. A mechanic mentioned some work that was being done on the Charlie model and Hughes blew a front row of head gaskets and felt betrayed that Dietrich would do something like buying an airplane without his knowledge and approval. He fired Dietrich and ordered the B-25 parked ( I can't remember were in California but I have it in my notes) and it had to be parked into the prevailing wind, tire down and left alone. It remained parked for decades until after Hughes death when his property was sold off.
It would be more correct to say that both of the B-25s, the B-25 and the B-25C were the former property of the Hughes Empire.
Gary,
I'd believe that would have been the (long gone) Hughes Airport in Culver City, just north of LAX.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:08 am
catch 22 wrote:gary1954 wrote:Actually the first Nine Production Models were the only ones with constant dihedrial and classified as B-25. The 10th Production model birthed the B-25A
Gary, I don't know where do you have this information from, but it's incorrect.
The first 24 B-25 (no letter) were the NAA No. NA-62, contract# W535-ac-13258. As you mentioned only the first 9 of them had initially constant dihedral. But the 10-th a/c manufactured was still a B-25. The s/n for model B-25 are from 40-2165 to 40-2188.
By the way the survivor "Miss Hap", s/n 40-2168, was the first B-25 delivered to the first BG. to make use of the "Mitchells" - the 17-th BG. It was a HC a/c. Later on it was returned to NAA damaged, before being "upgraded" with flat outer wing panels and later modified for gen. Arnold. There are some amazing memoirs by Lt. Boardman C.Reed from the 34-th BS., 17-th BG. about the deliveries of the new B-25 to McChord field in 1941. He even flew his first B-25А, s/n 40-2202 later coded 47-17В from Inglewood. Sadly, he passed away on March 12, this year. He was 99!
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:09 am
cooper9411 wrote:Could be 254818? Really hard to tell exactly, tried to cross reference but to no avail!
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:22 am
Mark Allen M wrote:
B-25 Mitchells from the 3rd Anti-submarine Squadron
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:48 am
gary1954 wrote:Mark Allen M wrote:
B-25 Mitchells from the 3rd Anti-submarine Squadron
according to Joe Baugher's pages the serial number on the closest B-25 does not fit with a B,C, or early D model, it appears to have a belly turret system as well. this number does not appear in his BuNo files, anyone have any idears?
Gary (thanks Mudge) the Perplexed