Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:50 pm
Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:30 pm
John Dupre wrote:I think that there are two or three other civilian aircraft airborne over Oahu during the attack that are survivors. Will look into it and report back.
Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:53 pm
Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:02 pm
JBoyle wrote:The Ford Tri-Motor sold last year at the January auto auction claimed Pearl Harbor damage...and a shot-up tailfin (IIRC) was included in the deal.
Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:52 pm
John Dupre wrote:://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/world-war-ii/december-7-1941
"At Honolulu’s John Rodgers Airport, a Douglas DC-3 operated by Hawaiian Airlines was preparing to admit passengers for a regular inter-island flight. Suddenly, from out of the sky came a Japanese pursuit plane, guns blazing. The time was 7:55 a.m. Robert Tyce, pilot of the K-5 Flying Service, was struck in the head by a machine gun bullet and killed, but no one else was hurt. No bombs were dropped on the airport, all damage being caused by aircraft cannon and machine gun fire. Shot at in the air around the field was a privately owned Aeronca. Another Aeronca, with Oahu legislator Roy Vitousek at the controls, was pursued and shot at by two Japanese planes near Kahuku Point, as the task force headed for Pearl Harbor. Both planes came down safely but with confused pilots and passengers. Marguerite Gambo was flying with a student on a cross-country trip at the time. Seeing what was occurring, she went through a seldom-used pass and landed safely. Four Gambo planes were in the air that day, two failed to return."
This article doesn't mention Cornelia Fort another female flight instructor who nearly collided with a Japanese aircraft while instructing. She was flying an Interstate Cadet. Her student was on his last instruction flight before soloing. Imagine if they had flown an hour earlier! The four Gambo aircraft, the two Aeroncas and Fort makes 7 civilian aircraft airborne at some time during the attack.
Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:53 am
Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:39 am
Thanks for all the information David. Regarding the USS Oklahoma, are there still parts of this ship stuck in the mud where she rolled over?David_Aiken wrote:Aloha All,
The existing "Pearl Harbor" aircraft must EXCLUDE that Ford Trimotor once owned by the K-T Flying Service. K-T had used that Trimotor at their Chula Vista, CA operation, not in Hawaii...despite previously published data.
The 'treasure' areas of which you speak "Off of Pearl Harbor"...are not easily accessible to the average millionaire.
The "dump" ground southwest of Bouy #1 (entrance bouy to the harbor) marks the southern end of Tripod Reef. This 1200 foot deep area is a hodgepodge of wreckage or obsolete military material...including bombs, aircraft, small ships, vehicles...
This Bouy#1 is cited in the reports of the USS Crossbill, USS Cockatoo, and USS St Louis in the torpedo attack by a midget sub....see the NOVA special on 5 Jan 2010 and then report back here for more.
The dump ground on Waipio Peninsula is of the lower portions of the USS Arizona AND the previous platform for the flagpole and "monument" cut off to make the current memorial. The bulk of what we see above the waterline in the 8 Dec 1941 photos of the USS Arizona was shipped back to the mainland as scrap steel. The Waipio location was fenced yet the gate was open until the late 1980s...now it is guarded and the gate is locked.
The dump ground at Kaneohe USMC base is also behind locked gates and off limits to even most base personnel. At the bottom of that stack of crashed aircraft in the ravine MAY be a PBY or two.
The dredged material which were recovered off of Ford Island to make room for the USS Missouri was only moved to another spot off of Ford Island. This includes some of the top mast material which broke off as the USS Oklahoma rolled, and the remains of a crushed OS2U.
Sorry that to dash hopes for quick riches, but Hawaii is fearously enforceing the 50 year Antiquity Act...which means that the dumps are not to be touched.
Cheers,
David Aiken, a Director: Pearl Harbor History Associates, Inc.
http://www.pearlharbor-history.org/
Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:31 am
Nathan, I have been doing some research on many websites out there dedicated to the USS Arizona and I thought I would share this with you. Regarding the birdcage masts on the USS Arizona, they were removed in 1929 while the ship was undergoing 20 months of modernization in the Norfolk Navy Yard in Virginia. At this time she also received new boilers, additional armor and a number of the smaller caliber guns were updated. All of this work was completed in March 1931. Hope this information helps.Nathan wrote:So what aircraft are survivors of the attack on Pearl Harbor?
Off hand I can think of:
JRS-1 at Garber(this thing is truely historical)
P-40B at Duxford
A civil aircraft onboard USS Missouri
SBD-2 at PNAM
Isn't there a midget sub on display somewhere in Texas?
I can't wait till we are allowed to go in to the junkyard off Pearl Harbor. You got the Arizona birdcage and other parts from various ships. Also junk piles full of wrecked P-40s, P-36's, etc. I really hope we can go in there someday! And yes I heard that this stuff DOES survive! Including parts of the Arizona's Kingfisher.
Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:02 pm
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:21 pm
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:29 pm
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:43 pm
Pat Carry wrote:Regarding the USS Oklahoma, are there still parts of this ship stuck in the mud where she rolled over?
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:52 pm
David_Aiken wrote:Pat Carry wrote:Regarding the USS Oklahoma, are there still parts of this ship stuck in the mud where she rolled over?
Hi Pat,
Using this illustration http://japaneseaircraft.multiply.com/ph ... r#photo=60
and the short list which the Pearl Harbor Base PAO related to me (listed above)...
suggests that perhaps there MAY be more parts...
HTH,
David Aiken
Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:56 am
Pat Carry wrote:In the documentary I saw recently, Daniel Martinez was showing the viewers a portion of the broken mast from the USS Oklahoma sitting on Ford Island. It was not amongst the other ship parts that have been discussed in this thread. Where is that piece today?
Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:40 pm
Wikipedia - Talk:Attack on Pearl Harbor wrote:I've seen a number of claims about still existing ships present at the attack on Pearl Harbor. For example, the even the home page of Historic Ships in Baltimore, Taney's parent organization, claims that it is "The Last Surviving Warship of Pearl Harbor" when it is in fact technically not a warship, and was actually in Honolulu Harbor during the attack and not Pearl Harbor as the other 2 named survivors were. (The museum's specific page on the Taney is a bit more correctly nuanced.) Or consider the link for YT-153 below, which mentions 2 other surviving tugs from the attack, but fails to mention the Taney. (Perhaps they meant to say there were 2 other surviving ships, which would explain the exclusion of the Taney.)
I'm certain that 3 of the following 4 ships were present during the attack and still survive. The fourth I don't even have a name for - the only evidence I have for it's existence is from the reference for YT-153. Anyway, the ships are:
* USCGC Taney (WHEC-37) - a coast guard cutter on display in Baltimore. [1]
* USS Hoga (YT-146) - a tug currently in Suisun Bay but destined for the Arkansas Inland Maritime Museum. [2]
* USS YT-153 - another tug apparently still in use as a dive boat in Rhode Island. [3]
* An unnamed mystery tug according to the link for YT-153 above. ("Two other tugs from that day are still with us, but are no longer operable.")
There's also the battleships Arizona, Utah and Oklahoma of course, but they usually aren't counted since they are just wrecks now. (They are no longer "floating" as it were) Are there any I missed? Does anyone know what the mystery tug is? -Noha307 (talk) 22:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)