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airnutz · **Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:59 pm

It just keeps getting better and better!! :evil:

HELLDIVERS · **Joined:** Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:38 pm **Posts:** 642

HI YES THE MEETING HAS BEEN CANCELLED ,I WILL NOT HAVE ANYMORE INFORMATION UNTIL AFTER MAY 1ST.WHEN I FIND OUT MORE I WILL POST IT UNTIL THEN LETS NOT SPECULATE WITH OUT KNOWING THE FACTS.THANKS MIKE

hairy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:30 pm

Most of the aircraft that they are preventing from being recovered or otherwise saved were actually built to stop and defeat people like them, could this have a bearing on their actions. :wink:

P.S this is not to detract from a very serious subject, but if we couldn't laugh we would all go nuts.

Taras · **Joined:** Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 89

I think I should write a book that tells the true story of the recovery of historic naval airplanes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation, and the Naval Historical Center.

If only the damage done to the National Museum of Naval Aviation by the war bird community could be undone. Always remember this, if not for the National Museum of Naval Aviation those Lake Michigan Wildcats that fly to Osh Kosh every year would not be there.

Taras

O.P. · **Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:53 pm

Hi Taras!

What did the warbird community do to the National Museum of Naval Aviation?

I always though the beef was between the planet and the NHC.

RickH · **Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:02 pm

I'd say it is more like , if not for the Naval Museum and NHC, the planes on the bottom of Lake Michigan and other places would have been recovered and flying many years earlier.

HELLDIVERS · **Joined:** Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:38 pm **Posts:** 642

HI TARAS!I WISH YOU WOULD DO A BOOK I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE TRUE ISSUES AND THE AREAS INVOVED WITH ONE OF THE MOST UNEXCEPTABLE POLICYS OF PRESERVATION ON RECORD!ILLISTRATED WITH PHOTOS OF YOUR DISCOVERYS/RECOVERYS WOULD MAKE FOR A BEST SELLER THAT MANY OF US WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH AND SHARE WHAT MOST OF US CAN ONLY DREAM OF DOING! YOUR COMPANY ALONG WITH THE CO OPERATION OF THE NAVAL AVIATION MUSEUM HAVE RETURNED MORE WW2 NAVAL A/C TO THE PUBLIC EYE THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION. WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT CHANGES CAN BE MADE TO STOP THE CURRENT POLICYS NOW TAKING PLACE AND GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF A/C PRESERVATION.AS A WISEMAN TOLD ME TODAY,THESE SUBMERGED AIRCRAFT ARE LIKE ALKA SELZERS SLOWLY FIZZALING AWAY.THEY WILL NOT SURVIVE MANY MORE YEARS OF NEGLECT.WHILE YOUR AT IT HOW ABOUT A VIDEO OF YOUR RECOVERYS IM SURE THE INTEREST LEVELS WOULD BE HIGH! THANKS FROM ALL OF US THAT HAVE ENJOYED SEEING THE FRUITS OF YOUR EFFORTS.MIKE

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:04 pm

Taras wrote:

If only the damage done to the National Museum of Naval Aviation by the war bird community could be undone.

?

Taras · **Joined:** Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 89

For all of you who think you know something, but do not:

It was Capt. Rasmussen of the National Museum who worked to release submerged navy airplanes to the private world, it was his plan that allowed us to recover the two Wildcats and SBD that we sold to private collectors (legally). He is a pilot, for some odd reason such people wish for airplanes to fly. It seems to me that the Naval Historic Center does not ever seem to want airplanes to fly, I wonder why there would be conflict between the two.

As for all the airplanes having been recovered if not for the National Museum of Naval Aviation, nonsense (for NHC yes). Hundreds of men have tried over the years to find what is hidden in the depths of Lake Michigan, she has beat almost all of them and sent them home where they belong. And the true collectors with both money and ability have never really come pounding on our doors for the airplanes, either.

Taras

Taras · **Joined:** Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 89

The language is already there, it keeps appearing every year. It seeks to take back every former military aircraft.

Manonthefence · **Posted:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:08 am

Forgive my ignorance but what would taking back every Warbird achieve. I can see why they would seek to control in some way recent ex Military aircraft, I just dont get the Warbird thing?

airnutz · **Posted:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:16 am

Taras,
Please?? A clarification, when you stated...
"If only the damage done to the National Museum of Naval Aviation by the
warbird community could be undone."

The way your statement reads, is..The warbird world has damaged NMNA.
This was a typographical error, yes?

TimAPNY · **Posted:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:16 am

One more step form Citizen to Subjects :cry:

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:25 am

I've sent the pertinnent stuff off this thread to Jerry Yagen.

Taras · **Joined:** Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 89

There are people on this earth who believe the government (s) should hold in its position anything that would be considered rare art, none replaceable antiquities, and objects of historic significance. These people have been trying to make laws for years; they have stopped the treasure hunting of old ships, they work to keep people from razing buildings in order to build new ones, and now they are trying to bring “historically important” military aircraft under government control. In the 1940’s these people were called “National Socialists,” they believe people are not smart enough to manage such important portions of “our” heritage. They use very well practiced key phrases to achieve their ultimate goal, control of what is of interest to other people. The phrases are usually along the lines of the following: “We are doing this to protect the objects for your children, their children and all future generations to come.” They find villains to attack and blame for the loss of valued items.

To these people, a P-51 flying at an air show is nothing more than an important object of great historical significance being miss-used by a rich person who wishes to show off his/her toy to a group of awe struck people who will never understand how terrible such an act is. So they work to have the government take these historically important objects away, and place them where no one could touch or see them except their inner circle of archeologists and people such as that.

The National Museum of Naval Aviation has worked tirelessly to bring such objectives to the American public, by both museum display and releasing to the private world. They have stood as a beacon of hope, but the egotistical war bird community could not see that for what it truly is; now we shall all pay the price, because both sides portrayed the NMNA as the villains.

I blame myself; I should have stood-up and spoken out much sooner.

Taras

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