Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:27 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Click here to goto Amazon.com


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Ernest Simmons harvards
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:57 pm 
Does anyone have current photos of Simmons aircraft sold at his auction which are flying now ??


Steve


Top
  
 
 Post subject: ????
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:04 pm 
Offline
Co-MVP - 2006
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 01, 2004 11:21 pm
Posts: 11348
Location: Salem, Oregon
Here's Eric's 8)
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/yaleregistry/yale-rcaf3406.html

_________________
Don't touch my junk!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:18 pm 
Also did anyone go to the auction and take any photos ??

thanks again

Steve


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:11 am 
Offline
Group Captain
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:03 am
Posts: 947
Location: Creve Couer, MO
Well, here goes nothin'. I have never posted anything that wasn't soon corrected or proven wrong, but.............

I think all the Yale survivors came from that farm/auction. Tom Crevasse restored mine and I have heard he bought it at that auction for less than a grand.

The one exception that I know of is an old guy that I talked to a few times on the phone in Del Rio Texas said he had the original prototype and it was never delivered. He was a former Braniff captain in the late 50s and early 60s as I recall. He invited me to come look at the airplane, which he said was in a shed on his farm. He said he had long since lost his medical and only ran it up once a month. That was 8 years ago and I would expect that he's no longer with us.

I have some really bad, color photocopy pics of the airplanes in serious disrepair siting in lines, over grown at Ernies farm in Tillsonburg. I think there were some Fairey Swordfish there as well in the pics.

_________________
Eric

"I spent most of my money on alcohol, women and skyraiders....and the rest of it I just wasted."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:41 am 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:58 pm
Posts: 3171
Location: Nelson City, Texas
Do you rember the old guys name. If so its less than a hundred miles over to Del Rio (about an hours drive in Texas) and I could see if he (it) are still around. That sounds like it would be a nice one to have.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:44 am 
Offline
Group Captain

Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:31 pm
Posts: 864
They were mostly, if not all, Yales at Ernie Simmon's place, not Harvards. I've seen the photos, though I don't have any.

There were indeed Swordfishes. Bob Spence bought several and assembled one, which is the aircraft now in the Vintage Wings hangar.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/page?a=236&lang=en-CA

Dave


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:40 am 
Offline
Taylorcraft Racing

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:29 pm
Posts: 804
Location: Amorica
Yep Yales, not Harvards. See here for some pics:

http://harvards.com/content/view/61/27/

Most, if not all of the flying Yales are ex-Simmons.

Jim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:44 am 
Offline
Taylorcraft Racing

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:29 pm
Posts: 804
Location: Amorica
P.S.: I think the plane Eric is speaking about is N13397 with Ray Kirkpatrick.

Jim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:47 am 
Offline
Squadron Leader
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:47 pm
Posts: 175
Location: Ontario, Canada
Good morning. I am currently in California, 3500 miles from my Canadian home and I just saw this posting regarding Yales and Ernie Simmons. I have some photos and corrections to add to the mix.

There were no Harvards at the Simmons farm, only Yales (as far as NAA types were concerned). I am attaching a photo I obtained from Tom Dietrich, a restorer and Yale fanatic of some international repute, as well as a shot of one of the Swordfish torpedo bombers which were also there. This shot was taken by an old friend, now since gone, Jack McNulty.

The final photo is of the prototype NA-64/Yale, which was, indeed, delivered to the RCAF, receiving serial number 3464. It had been held back for purposes of making manuals etc. and was the last aircraft to arrive.

Hope this helps
cheers
Doug 8)

[img][img]http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq171/macharvard/Simmonsfarm1.jpg[/img]

Image

Image[/img]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:20 pm 
Offline
Wing Commander
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:39 pm
Posts: 279
Never heard that story before, what a legend. Did all the aircraft go to good homes?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:17 pm 
Offline
Group Captain
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:03 am
Posts: 947
Location: Creve Couer, MO
From the Simmons Article:
Quote:
Anyone who spends any time at all in the North American war bird community will eventually hear the name "Ernie Simmons. So many of today's restored antique aircraft.......Lysanders, Fairey Swordfish, and especially Yales (known as BT-9's in the U.S.) ...or at least parts of them.....seem to have come from "The Simmons Collection". And not just aircraft. Every second antique car, motorcycle, tractor or steam engine...even military ground vehicles seem to trace their lineage back to here.


The NA-64 Yale and the BT-9 are different variants of the NA-16 type. Not simply same aircraft with different designations in different countries.

_________________
Eric

"I spent most of my money on alcohol, women and skyraiders....and the rest of it I just wasted."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:48 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:45 pm
Posts: 1265
Location: Ontario, Canada
The Spence’s now Vintage Wings of Canada Swordfish flying with Lex Dupont taken back in the 90s at Muirkirk.

Image

Image

Cheers,

Eric

_________________
The air resounds from the Rolls-Royce roar!
To an enemy the warning is dire: here only eagles soar,
and the last thing he'll see is a mirrored Spitfire!
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:06 pm 
Offline
Lance Corporal
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:10 am
Posts: 49
Location: Tucson, Az
great account of ernie and the auction here:

http://www.spitcrazy.com/simmons-1.htm

_________________
Losing faith in humanity one individual at a time


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:44 pm 
Offline
Group Captain

Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 4:50 pm
Posts: 815
So what happened to that prototype Yale in Del Rio? Great thread decided to recycle it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:36 pm 
Offline
Group Captain
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:12 pm
Posts: 306
Location: Brighton,MI
Here are some pictures that I have collected.

I'm the current owner of Yale 3383 which is pictured below.
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: blurrkup, Google Adsense [Bot], jollyrogerf14, leo, Locobuster and 86 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group