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Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:18 pm
I e-mailed the curator of the ESAM about the Bermuda and the B-26.
He said (WITHOUT MY ASKING HIM) that the B-26 "is not at Pima."
He also said that the loans on these two aircraft expired and he doesn't know where the Brewster is. He did not say where the B-26 is.
Just thought I'd let you know.
Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:27 pm
What is the ESAM ? I can guess the last two letters...
Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:36 pm
Col Rohr.-- That's just what he said. I didn't ask him where the Marauder was, just asked its current condition. He told me it wasn't at Pima without my asking him.
Dave--it stands for Empire State Aerosciences Museum. The B-26 has been under restoration there for several years.
Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:52 am
I'm the Assistant Curator at Pima. I can assure you that the Marauder and Bermuda are both at Pima. I have no idea why the person at ESAM would think they are somewhere else.
Pima Air & Space Museum
Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:22 pm
Wait a couple of weeks and you will get the list, details and photos of all the aircraft involved...in a three page article in the next Classic Wings
Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:49 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong.....but I think the B-26 at ESAM was just one of Tallichet's C nose sections. Kermit Weeks has one of them. These are the two nose sections that came from the NAA engineer in Pacific Pallisades who tried to convert them into a motorhome....He got as far as bolting both sections together and putting wheels on them. Tallichet got them in 1984. One of the noses (I think the one Kermit has) was only four serial numbers away from the CAF's airplane that crashed.
Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:02 pm
Col. Rohr wrote:
And if you all can wait a year we all have photos of all of david aircraft for I don't know how many pages article
Well you know what they say.... 'patience is a virtue'
Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:31 pm
JohnH wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong.....but I think the B-26 at ESAM was just one of Tallichet's C nose sections.
It's actually one of the three "Million Dollar Valley" aircraft recovered back in the '70s - one is airworthy with Kermit Weeks and the other is under restoration with MAPS at Canton.
I only went to ESAM once, in 1997, and the complete fuselage was being worked on then
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:16 pm
Did he have more than just nose sections of the C models? In the early 80s I remember seeing at Chino a B-26 rear fuselage with Japanese markings and fake bulletholes (probably ex-movie studio).
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:19 am
THE B-26 WAS AT THE EMPIRE STATE AIR MUSEUM, SCHENECTADY N.Y. EARLIER THIS YEAR. I'LL CHECK IT OUT, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:26 pm
Chris Brame wrote:Did he have more than just nose sections of the C models? In the early 80s I remember seeing at Chino a B-26 rear fuselage with Japanese markings and fake bulletholes (probably ex-movie studio).
Yes that was the movie nose....he had three of them. Thanks for the correction. One of the noses of the three aircraft was destroyed during the Million Dollar Crash....so are they bolting one of the C model noses onto the third fuselage? I seem to remember that was what was being done, and I did see a pic of one of those noses at ESAM.
Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:30 pm
Tomorrow I will be going to the Pima Air Museum where I volunteer. I will take current pix of the B-26 (as of tomorrow) and post them tomorrow nite. There is MORE than just a nose. The Bermuda is also there in storage. I have posted pix in the past on this forum showing both of these aircraft. I will post new pix of the Bermuda tomorrow nite.
I also posted a list of the other Tallichet aircraft at the museum a short while back. I will take current pix of these also.
The list again is
2- P-39 fuselages
This listed aircraft were at the museum as of last week
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