Early POF pics ????

[Second Air Force]

Thanks for posting those pictures, Michel.

Now I'll have to dig out my REALLY old magazine boxes and try to match these pictures to the stories in the mags. Another project!!

Scott

[k5083]

Here is the J2M as it looked in 1988, pretty much the same as today I think.



POF's "Axis Aircraft Exhibit" hangar prior to the opening of the AZ facility and the selling off of some a/c was one of the most amazing places that you could visit as a warbird enthusiast, with an A6M, J2M, D3A, J8M, He 162, Bf 109G, Me 262, and Ohka all in the same room. At that time there was no other place except perhaps RAF Cosford where such a collection of Axis machines could be seen together.

Also in 1988, Ed's "other" Zero (the one standing on its nose in the 1964 pics). As you can see it was a bit ragged but had been restored as a nice static display.





I never saw the nonflying Zero displayed again at Chino after 1988, and don't know where it went.

Here is what the nonflyer looked like in 1977:



And here is the later-to-fly 61-120 in 1969:



Yet one more pic of the 109 nose:



August

[B-25 C]

Pic. thanks for sharing them

[Michel Lemieux]

None of those are mine.....

I simply loaded a link to a Flickr album.

The gent also has some nice pics of the Paul Mantz Air Museum

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20111203@N07/sets/72157603917403087/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20111203@N07/sets/72157603917508107/

[bdk]

That "Twin Beech" is very well modified I'd say!

[Robbie Roberts]

If I recall correctly, that odd looking P-38 is the one donated to McGuire AFB and which now sits on a pedestal in the circle just inside the main gate on Tuskeegee Airmen Way, a memorial to McGuire himself, a WWII Pacific Theatre Ace.

Robbie

[airnutz]

Thanks Michel for the Tallmantz links, the more Garland Lincoln LF and Nieuport 28 photos
the better..and in color too!!!

Regardingthe J2M..I wonder if POF has ever fired her up, if not, I wish they'd
invest the time to do so? I wonder what one of them sounds like???

[CWBuff]

I can only assume that the P-40N is the one still with POF

Nope... that's P-40N 44-7369, currently with the Cavanaugh Flight Museum.

I just added a page for this ship to the website... you can see it HERE...

By the way August, I added those shots of the Keeseler Field P-40. You can see that page HERE...


Fade to Black...

[k5083]

Thank you Steve, I especially like the wartime shot of 44-7369 as I got to see her as a tyke in Windsor when Plumb owned her, and thanks also for showcasing the Kamm photos.

August

[warbird1]

These "back in the day" pics are great!

What became of the Zero standing on its nose? I assume the one behind it is the currently flying example.

The 262 is with Paul Allen, yes? Are they going to re-engine it a la the Stormbird reproductions?

SN

The Zero standing on its nose is the non-flying example which was sold to Paul Allen a few years ago.

Regarding the 262, it will contain the original Junkers Jumo 004 engines, but with newly remanufactured parts on it to make it last longer and be more reliable. Someone here, Taigh?, wrote an extensive post about testing the new 262 engines on a test stand in California. You'll have to check the archives for that post though. Rest assured, that 262 will be original and the only one likely to ever take flight again.

[warbird1]

I never saw the nonflying Zero displayed again at Chino after 1988, and don't know where it went.

August, the nonflying Zero was displayed at Chino after 1988. I can't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the late 90's, it was displayed side by side with the other Zero all the way until it was sold to Paul Allen early in this decade. I have many pictures of the two of them together in the Axis hangar in the 90's and 00's.

[Kdmoo]

Wow, that Lockheed Orion 9B is a real rarity. Cool pics!

Kevin

[bdk]

Regardingthe J2M..I wonder if POF has ever fired her up, if not, I wish they'd invest the time to do so? I wonder what one of them sounds like???

I don't think so. Since that is the only one of those engines in existence that I am aware of, you'd want to be mighty careful with it. As it is a static display, it sounds like a lot of work for little return on your investment. The money might be better spent doing a more thorough static restoration, replacing the corroded wing spars, finding better replacement tires, etc.

[warbird1]

Regardingthe J2M..I wonder if POF has ever fired her up, if not, I wish they'd invest the time to do so? I wonder what one of them sounds like???

I don't think so. Since that is the only one of those engines in existence that I am aware of, you'd want to be mighty careful with it. As it is a static display, it sounds like a lot of work for little return on your investment. The money might be better spent doing a more thorough static restoration, replacing the corroded wing spars, finding better replacement tires, etc.

It would be really neat to just hear that rare Kasei engine on the Raiden. It would not have to be rebuilt to airworthy standards, but just safe, idle-running standards. There is precedence for this with many rare or one-of-a-kind warbirds:

1) The POF's own Ki-84 Frank which was a sole survivor with an extremely rare engine. It flew for several years until sold to Japan.

2) The old RAF Cosford's Ki-100, which was a sole survivor with an extremely rare engine. Though static, the engine was run up on occasion.

3) The old RAF Cosford's Me 410, which was one of 2 survivor's of the model with extremely rare engines. Though static, the engine was run up on occasion.

4) The old RAF Cosford's Fw 190F-8/U1, which is the only survivor of it's type and being unique in that it is a two seat trainer version. Though static, the engine was run up on occasion.

5) The old Champlain Fighter Museum's Fw 190D-13/R11, which was one of only 2 "Dora" models at that time. Though static, the engine was run up on at least one occasion.

If the POFs' Jack's engine was in such bad shape that it needed an extensive overhaul just to run in idle, then I agree, the money could be better spent elsewhere. But would it really be that expensive to overhaul it to just "idle" standards?

BTW, many years ago, (late 80's or 90's), Ed Maloney was on record as saying that he would like to have the Jack restored and flying some day. I can imagine, though, given the rarity and escalating value of Japanese warbirds, that he has probably changed his mind in this current day and age.

[warbirdcrew]

bdk
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:04 am Post subject:
That "Twin Beech" is very well modified I'd say! Laughing

It almost looks like one of those ultra-rare Lockheed twin Beeches.