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Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:28 am
Black 12, Flug Werks latest ACE Allison powered long nose FW arrived in Kissimmee, FL at Tom Blairs facility Sallion 51. It was unloaded out of the containers and placed in a hangar for assembly.
I hope the test flight begin soon!
Last edited by Chuck Gardner
on Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:33 pm
When you have time, snap us a picture....unless it is verboten, that is.
Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:34 pm
Thanks Chuck! Any chance you can provide some pictures?
Also, where does Mr. Blair intend on basing the long nose? Do you know who will be the pilot on the first test flight?
Appreciate the info a lot as this is one of those warbirds that I've been following since I first heard about it.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:24 pm
The first engine run was yesterday and it was run again today. It sounds awesome and looks great too. It is an amazing airplane.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:49 pm
What a beautiful aircraft!! Does anyone have a link to Flug Werks that gives specific information about their airplanes and more still photos. Thanks!
Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:57 pm
Tigercat wrote:What a beautiful aircraft!!
Yep, one of the most beautiful targets the Army Air Forces ever shot down! Seriously, it is a gorgeous plane. Can't wait until the FlugWerk replicas start showing up at air shows on a regular basis.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:09 pm
Google is your friend
Looks good, but oh for the sound of the Jumo 213 instead of the Allison
Anyone interested in the Doras should consider these books, absolutely superb.........
Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:19 pm
That is neat. I don't know if it original, or a replica or a homebuilt or a mirage but it is cool looking. Very vintage, and unusual, not just pretty or modern. Chuck, keep us posted. Thanks
Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:45 pm
are tehre any Jumo's left that could be used? How hard is it really to tool one up? Seems like with all our technology, all you would need is the blueprints--you could make a one off of about anything these days...
Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:01 pm
muddyboots wrote:are tehre any Jumo's left that could be used? How hard is it really to tool one up? Seems like with all our technology, all you would need is the blueprints--you could make a one off of about anything these days...
Well, a German engine shop called MotoBende did some magnificent work on one example, but they haven't updated their website in a long time to indicate if it was completed. I don't know if this engine went to the Voormezeele D-9 or not, though. It would be great to see and hear one running.
Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:03 pm
And a big THANK YOU to Chuck for the pictures and the movie!
Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:12 pm
Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:31 pm
muddyboots wrote:are there any Jumo's left that could be used? How hard is it really to tool one up? Seems like with all our technology, all you would need is the blueprints--you could make a one off of about anything these days...
about half way down the page:
looks like they have a pair of Jumo 213 "power eggs" that look ok considering they were buried for quite a while; looks like all the magnesium bits have more or less turned to powder....
Per the earlier Typhoon thread, it all comes down to money. Allisons are available & (relatively speaking) reliable, and are sure gonna run you less than tooling up to make a pair of Jumos. I mean that would have to run into at least a million or two, and that's without the very complex mechanical computer "brain box" that typical German fighter engines were equipped with. Not saying it couldn't be done, just bring your wallet, and your investment portfolio....
Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:43 pm
thanks, I always wondered. I know we could DO it, but wasn't sure how far out the idea is. They say the Appollo missions could not be duplicated without completely retooling the industry, because so much hands to steel knowhow has been lost. A jumo is complex, but not THAT complex. I just wasn't sure if you could tool up and throw in a semi reasonable rich guy with money to burn kind of way...
*Thinks about asking EDowning for a contribution to the "build a Jumo" fund*
Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:47 am
The two 213s at White 1 are available for sponsorship for rebuild. The valve covers were magnesieum and are white powder now but the rest of the engine(s) seem to be in good shape. There is clean, clear oil in one of the engines and they hope that it can be restored. If anyone is interested and rebuilding the engine to airworthy standards, let me know. They can be used on a D-9 to fly in the future.
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