grumman duck photos

armyjunk2 · **Joined:** Wed May 16, 2007 8:15 pm **Posts:** 833

cats will be coming soon.....These photographs came from the Archives at Grumman Memorial Park Calverton, Long Island, New York, my friend Leo Polaski spent many long hours scanning these...................a right click and save will give you photo info

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 11:29 pm

what a dissection!!!

armyjunk2 · **Joined:** Wed May 16, 2007 8:15 pm **Posts:** 833

what would be the chances of making a sticky for these pics? i see at least a couple hundred very good quality pics, seems a shame to lose them in the other topics..... how do I ask about that?? anyone in charge here?

Malo83 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:31 am **Posts:** 309

OK somebody tell me what is the deal with the tail hook? was the Duck also designed for carrier ops, and some Ducks have them and others don't .
Malo

armyjunk2 · **Joined:** Wed May 16, 2007 8:15 pm **Posts:** 833

is it as simple as Coast Guard planes didnt land on carriers so no need for hook?

JDK · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 12:38 am

Hi Armyjunk2,

Great photos, good scanning job. I always wondered how the guys got in and out of that Duck mockup without breaking anything!

I've sent you a PM, be good to hear back from you.

Cheers

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 3:23 am

ok..... 1st question...... what came 1st the chicken, or the egg???? 2nd question............. did the grumman duck do carrier ops????

Forgotten Field · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 9:03 am

The Ducks were designed for Carrier ops, but I don't think they were so equipped until a later version.

Don Martin · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 9:11 pm

Look at the 4th photo down, the aircraft is assigned to the U.S.S. Ranger CV 4.

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 10:43 pm

Forgotten Field wrote:

The Ducks were designed for Carrier ops, but I don't think they were so equipped until a later version.

Correctamundo FF, the Duck was designed as an all around utility bird for the
Navy. JF-1's were equipped with a hook. The JF-2's went to the Coasties, so the hook was deleated. The later JF-3's didn't have a hook either...
When the J2F's(model G-15) showed-up the carrier gear returned and I assume
varied from where or how it served.

Hard to believe the Duck once held the world speed record for amphibians at 191mph!

Great stuff Armyjunk2!!! As for sticky-ing your Grummans...Keep 'em coming and
we'll keep your posts on Page 1! Scott,(the Boss of WIX) will have to create a special place for you!

edit-Doh! fixed it!

JDK · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 11:20 pm

airnutz wrote:

I presume because by that time the carriers had grown so and the biplane
probably landed with room to spare on a carrier bearing into a headwind.

Hard to believe the Duck once held the world speed record for amphibians at 191mph!

Always knew it was a classy 'plane.

I'm no expert, but it's perhaps worth mentioning that the 30s were the period of the introduction of hooks and wires to a lot of carrier operations around the word. The essentially similar (in capability) Supermarine Walrus never had a hook fitted but was expected to land on carriers - and did, perfectly well. I'd imagine a biplane with flaps and the performance of the duck didn't really need a hook either, unless, perhaps, heavily loaded, although it would make a lot of sense.

Incidentally, talking of 'fast' biplane amphibians, a civilian operated (warbird...) Supermarine Walrus won a post-war air race!

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2007 11:55 pm

JDK wrote:

airnutz wrote:

I presume because by that time the carriers had grown so and the biplane
probably landed with room to spare on a carrier bearing into a headwind.

Hard to believe the Duck once held the world speed record for amphibians at 191mph!

Always knew it was a classy 'plane.

I'm no expert, but it's perhaps worth mentioning that the 30s were the period of the introduction of hooks and wires to a lot of carrier operations around the word. The essentially similar (in capability) Supermarine Walrus never had a hook fitted but was expected to land on carriers - and did, perfectly well. I'd imagine a biplane with flaps and the performance of the duck didn't really need a hook either, unless, perhaps, heavily loaded, although it would make a lot of sense.

Incidentally, talking of 'fast' biplane amphibians, a civilian operated (warbird...) Supermarine Walrus won a post-war air race!

Ouch James, you caught me making a goof. Somethng didn't "ring true" after my post...
so I popped over to aerofiles to get schooled. I was mixing my JF's(G-7 and G-10) with my J2F's (G-15). The hooks were on the later models as well, although it appears application varied with their jobs or needs.

As far as the my assumption about the Duck not needing a hook, I forgot to
account for the Duck's high roll center and narrow undercarriage...a consideration the
Walrus did not suffer from. Duck's were(are), not forgiving in a crosswind ..
nor I'll wager...on a pitching deck. A tailhook would be helpful on stabbing the beastie home.

Edit...A good page for a quick overview of the Duck..
www.aviation-history.com/grumman/j2f.html
and for any newbies, aerofiles
www.aerofiles.com

JDK · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2007 12:08 am

Mistakes? No worries - I'm still sure you're right.

airnutz wrote:

As far as the my assumption about the Duck not needing a hook, I forgot to account for the Duck's high roll center and narrow undercarriage...a consideration the Walrus did not suffer from. Duck's were(are), not forgiving in a crosswind ..nor I'll wager...on a pitching deck. A tailhook would be helpful on stabbing the beastie home.

Good point.

Swiss Mustangs · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2007 6:04 am

hi all

found one more...

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CWBuff · **Joined:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:14 am **Posts:** 854

Swiss Mustangs wrote:

hi all

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