Waco

Don Martin · **Posted:** Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:04 pm

I picked up this photo recently. It's not the best of quality, but it's definitly a Waco, with an inline engine, taken at Newark NJ, and I can't read the name on the fusalage, but, underneath the name I can make out "WACO DEALER". But I'm just curious if anyone knew anythig about an inline engined model. All I've ever seen or read about Wacos had round engines hanging on the nose. ?????????????

astixjr · **Posted:** Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:50 pm

Don,
I'm no expert but I think the Waco in the photo is a Waco 10 with an OX-5 V8. Waco had many models that had "powerplant options". The same basic fuselage and wing design could be equiped with any number of engines, depending on how much money the buyer wanted to spend. They built some V8 Hisso powered version also. I'll look in some of my Waco books and try to figure out what airplane this is. Albert

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:59 pm

Albert is correct on that, the early Waco's had Curtiss OX-5's in them as they were readily available following WWI. In mass production the Waco model 9 and 10 both had OX-5's as standard powerplants. They also came with optional engines such as the OXX-6 (also a V-8), the Curtis C-6 which was and inline 6 cylinder and the Hispano model A engine. It wasn't until about 1928 or later that the radials started showing up on the Waco's, such as the Ryan-Siemans or the popular Wright J-5.

Today there are a number of OX-5 Wacos still existant around the country, but not flown very regularly. There are three of them in my nearby vicinity.

O.P. · **Posted:** Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:33 am

Wow!

We must be psychic or something.

I was just going to post a question about this rig.

http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=98462

Whats a project like that worth? It looks like a good one. I don't want to call the dude to just tire kick, I don't like it when it's done to me, and I won't do it to him.

I went looking for a pic and found this,

http://www.russellw.com/photoalbum/phot ... qModel=c10

They are nice lookin planes. I don't know how I been able to live this long without seeing one personally. I am a YMF Super fan, especially the new ones, but now........400K for a new Super, or, Sweat equity a Sexy 10....

Decisions, Decisions......Common superlotto

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:48 am

Orvis,

No idea on the price, but in a red nd black trimmed scheme, it could look like this, a Waco 10.

O.P. · **Posted:** Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:57 am

Thanks Roger!

That is nice!

I'd be styling showing up in a rig like that. One of these decades.....

3 in the area? Any of them going to HAF?

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:01 am

Unfortunately not, they rarely fly, and don't leave their fields when they do.

Don Martin · **Posted:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:20 pm

Thanks for all the replys, Guys! I know I'll learn something when I ask a question on the WIX!

Now for something newer(last summer at Trenton, Me).

C170BDan · **Posted:** Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:50 am

We have several Wacos that fly regularly here in North Texas. We do have a Waco 10 with the OX5 but I think it is down for a wing recover.

Here is a really nice custom cabin model (note shorter lower wing)

Then another cabin that is based at the same airport where I fly out of

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:01 am

Lot's of different models out here too. NC14000 is my friend Byron Hight's 1934 YKC which I've had the pleasure of flying in. The Red one is NC12438, Alan Buckner's 1932 QDC, which was orginally bought new by his father. Years later he purchased and restored it to Grand Champion condition and won quite a few awards including (I believe) Grand Champion antique at Oshkosh some years ago.

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:18 am

Wow, Great photos Guys! I don't now a lot about Waco's, but I do know I
never met one my eye didn't like..well except for the trike. I do wish
someone would replicate or find a few of the warbird-Waco's..what unique
birds they were and would be in the line-up!

Back to the Waco 10. The OX-5 Waco 10 always reminded me of a
parakeet...the only other aircraft to do so was the Rose Parakeet,probably
due to it's more dimunitive size.

When I saw Don's posted photo of the Waco 10, I blurted Waco Hisso to
myself. Dunno why, the exhaust-log just looks "wrong" for the OX and
OXX birds I've seen in person and photos. Maybe it's just the grainy photo
...tho a great find. The prop looks to rotate wrong..but again an old photo.
The Hisso rotates the same way as the OX-5 doesn't it? Thanks guys!

Don Martin · **Posted:** Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:01 pm

One more!

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:02 am

[quote="airnutz" The prop looks to rotate wrong..but again an old photo[/quote]

...Or maybe an old bonehead who didn't take the time to look thru some
Waco photos!!! :oops:

Work demands lessened and I got to spend some
time looking at the Kobernuss book. The prop was a standard form for the
day on the 9's and 10's. One of the photo captions labels it a Hartzell..but
I didn't get to dig and find more in the text for more other similar prop
suppliers. Edit... Fahlin was the other major supply..

As for the Hisso, I dunno...I've seen a few..very few of the Hisso photoed
Waco 10's and the cylinder head seems prominently taller than the OX or
OXX birds and may not fit within the same cowl-form...page 120 shows
a Hisso 10 which seems to verify this. Maybe the exhaust manifold thing,
that had me confused is on page 203 depicting a row of OX Waco 10 fuses.
They have what appears to be a stamped-steel and welded exhaust
manifold..which Don's Newark photo may be an example of with a down-tube fitted to it. The downtube looks to be too small in diameter..certainly
for the 180 horse bird and probably for the 150. I've probably gotten too
used to seeing the exhaust as in Roger Cain's red/black 10 example.

I did get one really neat internet-hit Friday night on a Hisso Waco 10 being
sold on Ebay..2 photos of the same bird..IIRC. It was a short-stack bird
in flight..very nice photos. The sale of the photos had ended April 9 but
they were still being displayed at Jay-Parrinos-The-Mint-LLC, ebay.
Saturday morn I tried to pull 'em up, but they had been removed form
display. And of course I didn't write down the NC# because I'd get all that
Sat-morn..sigh... :oops:

One interesting thing stood out about this bird was there was an attempt to
cowl the narrow/tall Hisso cam-covers..crudely... nowhere as neat as the
OX production or the smooth curves of the prototype breast-cowl. Definite
shadetree look..but great period phots nonetheless.

As for Don's photo..before I went on my last work blitz, I had been doing
some digging at the Galveston library microfilm of the local papers and
was reminded how informative the advertisements and business sections
can be. I think the Newark paper of the period is the Star-Ledger..any
Wixer's in Newark wanna unreel some microfilm from about 1929?

Ryan Keough · **Posted:** Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:05 pm

Don Martin wrote:

One more!

Waco ASO, owned by Richard Hornbeck from Maine - TRANSLATION FOR MAINE: "DownMainah' Mistah Richahhd Haaaahnbeck ay-yesssah."

FedEx... smaaaaht.

Don Martin · **Posted:** Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:10 pm

Finest Kind theyah, Mistah Keough! Ayah!

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